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i think most people don't care. it doesn't happen here in the US (except that it does), it doesn't happen in other first world countries we are allied with (except that it does) and it doesn't happen to white people or US citizens (except that it does, although i grant that white muslims who follow this are REALLYREALYREALLYREALLY rare) so it doesn't matter to them.

in the mean time, all these various human rights violations are given a wink and a pass, and women are losing the rights we fought so hard to attain.

speaking of, in a round about manner... how are you. you have been kinda scaring me, and i have been worried but i haven't wanted to bug you. i know you are kinda under a microscope with your family, and i really don't want to add to your pressure, but i also want to make sure you know i am here for you. shoulder, ear, whatever. even karaoke, i KNOW we can manage it long distance :D once i am able to go out again, anyway. i miss you!

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Agreed on all counts.

Male Circumcision: I'm in favor of to a degree, if only because of all the health problems that can arise from not doing it. Not only is it cleaner (it really is. I know they say just wash, but fuck, i forget to wash behind my EARS sometimes) but if you lave no foreskin you can't tear it during rough sex.

Oh, did you not know that can happen? yeah. rough sex and you can tear your foreskin. I hear it hurts like a bitch. And god knows I don't want any son of mine having pussy 1980's John Tesh sex. I want him fucking like a beast.

But female circumcision, as far as I can tell, has no positive effects at all and tons of negative effects. And it makes me ill. I saw a video of one being performed once and i wanted to kill the guy doing it.

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"John Tesh sex"

i don't know why, but i cannot stop snorting at this image. and let me tell you, i need brainbleach and steel wool to remove that image.

i have also seen video. also, years ago when my mom was still working in the ER and i was a volunteer someone brought their daughter in. the guy shared custody with his *very* fundy ex-wife, he had forbidden her to have it performed on their daughter, so the next time she got the kid for the weekend she, i shit you not, DID IT HERSELF WHILE RECEIVING INSTRUCTION ON THE PHONE WITH THE WOMAN WHO HAD DONE IT TO HER AS A CHILD IN SAUDI. on her 9 year old daughter. with a kitchen knife. with no anesthetic, no clean up, not even rubbing alcohal, nuthin. and sent the girl back to her father in bloody panties. dropped her off, waited til the girl got to the front door (didn't even HELP HER WALK) drove to the airport and was gone. the girl was in shock, and the father was almost incoherant. he almost got arrested because the registration people couldn't believe a *mother* would do that to her daughter but were perfectly willing to believe a man would. a man, i might add, who was not muslim and never had been, was not arabic or any other middle eastern (he was something eastern european, by the accent).

sorry. this is one of those things where, as much as it's a crime of the patriarchy, the actual implementation is almost always female. who do it because they had it done to them, and they don't want their daughter's "future husband prospect ruined" by not being mutilated. misogyny enrages me, but this actually makes me insane.

BTW - alex (F.) isn't circumcised. talk to him about it. i have had boyfrieds who weren't. two. one was fine. the other was nasty, and i refused to have sex with him (which i guess is mean but look, it was NASTY grossy and had puss. a discharge. just.......*shudder*)

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I'm going to call bullshit. There isn't a single health reason for male circumcision. The developed world admitted this years ago.

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this particular guy had an infection under his foreskin. at first i felt very bad for him, but talking to his sister taught me otherwise - he had had problems ever since he was supposed to start cleaning himself. he wouldn't, and things would build up under the foreskin and putrefy and... it was this horrible cycle, fixable if he would just pull back his foreskin and clean every day like he had been told too. it was very gross... and weird, i say he was "less than cleanly" but he BATHED everyday, so i don't know why he ignored this bit.

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I'm going to call it not. having a penis and knowing uncircumcised males it is easier to clean a circumcised penis. It just is. And admittedly, it's not a big difference, but as i said, men forget to wash behind out ears, what the hell makes anyone think we'll wash in our penises?

And foreskin tearing is both painful and not uncommon. google is your friend.

For that matter, I actually know someone who couldn't have a sex life because his foreskin was too tight. he had to stretch it out before he could do the deed. What the hell kind of bullshit is that?

IMO, not worth it. Do what you want with your dick and the dicks around you, but let's not say that getting rid of useless flesh that can tear and bleed during normal sex is bullshit.

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So what you are saying is because you are too lazy to clean your ears, we should cut them off?

You can tear your hamstrings running too fast without stretching, should we remove your hamstrings?

Come on, circumcision is a stone age tradition designed to make you not enjoy sex. Period. There isn't a single good reason for it. Not one.

Though I guess if you are too lazy to keep yours clean, then your option would obviously be to cut it off.

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You are now officially a tard.

Female circumcision is often designed to make a woman not enjoy sex. Let's not pretend that a male dominated society made up any tradition to stop men from enjoying sex.

There is no reason to keep a foreskin and a few reason to get rid of it, whether you like them or not. If you think it's silly, fine, but till you come up with one single reason that it's better, you're breathing out your ass.

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I don't agree with you so I'm a tard?

The practice of circumcision began as a ritual blood sacrifice to Yahweh. It's been with us ever since.

Making some lame excuse about it being more hygienic and safer is what's a crock. You obviously have NO idea what you are talking about.

I think we have established who's breathing out of their ass.

Moron

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Oh, and it might be useful to point out the two thirds of the planet that DON'T circumcise. Hmm, they must just be lousy with disease and painful sex.

What's that?

They aren't?

Hmm, imagine that

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gentlemen...

i am in a fight w/ one of my favorite writers. please please don't fight here. you both have points that are important to you (pun intended). please? let it go?

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No, you're acting like a tard and being intentionally obtuse so you're a tard. that you happen not to agree with me is pure happenstance.

and yes. i'm making this all up.

http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ate/menshealth/207682.html
http://www.steadyhealth.com/Tearing_around_foreskin_t64089.html
http://ehealthforum.com/health/topic116750.html
http://www.emedicinehealth.com/foreskin_problems/article_em.htm

I just invented phimosis and paraphimosis for the obviously vain attempt at making you feel bad. it's all about you.

I've certainly never met anyone personally who had these problems and talked with them about it.

http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/herzog1/

I also clearly made up the cases where the instances of penile medical complications were doubles in uncircumcised people.

Meanwhile all medical studies show that there is either no loss of sexual sensation or an increase of sexual sensation in circumcised males and studies that found any loss of sexual sensation are showing a very minor loss. And seriously. Are people bitching about increased stamina? yeah, that's terrible. I hate how being circumcised makes me last longer in bed. All that pleasing my partner really kills my mood.

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I believe the lady asked us to stop which I did.

Apparently you have some perverse need to be an insufferable know it all

Show some respect

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Clearly I'm alone there.

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Yes. You apparently alone in the need to be an insufferable know it all

Douche tard

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but not in my seeming need to get the last work. other douche tard.

Or have we moved onto rubber and glue yet?

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Wow. You really are a piece of work aren't you? LOL

Get over yourself. You'd be doing yourself a favor

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Foreskin protects the penis. It's not an appendix. I'm gonna agree, do what you want with it, but at the same time let's not enable laziness (I'm not calling you lazy. Puss boy however....)

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I agree there. That's what it does. And if we were in the wild without 2 layers of pants, I'd say it was a lot more valuable. But I have multiple layers of fabric between my penis and the world around me all (well, most) of the time.

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I respect your decision to drive carefully. But I want others to respect my decision for my penis to be able to wear it's seat belt.

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Everything I've read indicates that this is true.

Boys, wash your shit.

Still not cut? Wash your shit anyway.

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chandara.livejournal.com

As someone who studies Middle Eastern culture as part of my business, I have a VERY strong opinion on this.

The hood of the clitoris is removed in order to make sex permanently painful for her, thereby increasing the chance of keeping her virginity and fidelity. Sometimes the entire clitoris is removed to eliminate any chance at all that she could somehow gain some tiny bit of pleasure. The labia and all is removed to deny her the existence of her femininity. She is sewn shut to preserve her virginity until her husband cuts her open on their wedding night. And is frequently sewn shut again to ensure her fidelity in his absence.

The worst part is that this "tradition" is perpetuated NOT by men, but by the WOMEN! The mothers and grandmothers who have been taught that this is not only normal, but necessary!!!

Some radical factions of Islam teach that women have no control over their "desire" and we were put on this earth for one thing. No, it isn't sex (believe it or not). It's to distract and prevent men from doing "God's work". According to these teachings, if left to our own devices, we will fuck anything and everything constantly. It's beyond ludicrous.

In defense of Islam, the Q'ran says nothing of female mutilation. It is the Suras - the laws and customs developed by men that have done this.

Check out the "Women's Studies" section a large bookstore - it's amazing the horror stories you'll find there, not only about female circumcision, but many other things as well.

If your veil slips and a stranger in a stairway gets even a glimpse of your face, even by accident, it is punishable by death. And the executioner is your father, your uncle, your brother... because somehow you're a whore for showing your face to someone other than a male relative and has tarnished the family's "honor".

What the fuck ever!!!!

Women who are raped are sent to prison or stoned because the court says they had to have done something to entice their attacker. It is a man's nature - surely he can't be punished for that, can he?

It absolutely makes me want to scream in frustration! And the women - countless generations of them - have been brainwashed into thinking that this is necessary.

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i know. if i were an arabic man, i would be INSULTED by this. being told that you have no control of yourself, if you see a wrist you will rape...

the whole thing is quite literally sickening. Muhommad spoke against such things, but somehow (just like the teachings of Jesus) what the main guy says doesn't matter as much as the guy who comes later and says different shit

there are more horrible things, but you covered the basics. and the worst bit is that the media IGNORE all but the most extreme cases, and call the few that they cover "exceptions" - and this is true. it is the exception that an 8 year old will be married (as opposed to sold temporarily, which is much more common). but 12 and 13 year olds are married off quite commonly, and the media? ignore it.

arabia and Islam, at one point, were great for women. and the fundy fucknuts got power and warp, twisted, corrupted the thing until it became what it is today. same as happened with christianity (in that case, i can even name the specific fucknut who started it; Paul. as in the Pauline tradition. as in the guy who wrote letters to the Romans. misogynistic fuck).

but thank you for commenting; you are a very credible source, being that you DO study the culture. maybe more people will see, and think, and maybe even try to do something. but that something needs to be akin to they way the West defeat foot-binding. and it needs to happen. soon.

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chandara.livejournal.com

The key is education. As long as women are uneducated, these types of atrocities will remain.

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sadslacker.livejournal.com

Keep this in mind each time the fundamentalist christians gain a little more power in our politics and culture. The greatest threat to America and the concepts outlined in our Bill of Rights and Constitution are those who believe they are "returning our Country to God".

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oh, do trust me, the Christian Coalition scares the holy hell out of me. every time Palin opens her mouth i cringe - not because she is so stupid, but because she is so followed, so upheld, and so WANTED by the fundys.......

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chandara.livejournal.com

Can I get an "Amen"!!??

(sorry... couldn't resist!)
I'm with you 100%!

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All circumcision is wrong. Period. I've always had major sensitivity issues with sex. I didn't even have an orgasm until I was 19 (even though I was a father at 15). I've always wondered if I hadn't been "damaged" somehow when they snipped me.

There isn't a SINGLE health related reason for ANY circumcision. That's a fallacy, plain and simple.

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i agree. i was very pissed when my youngest sister choose to have her son circumscised (over the objections of the pediatrician, no less).
the only problem i have ever seen with non-circumscision (i think i mentioned this above) was a guy who was... shall we say "less than cleanly". all the infections, etc, were entirely his fault. i think he might have had them anyway...

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I've had a slightly similar situation with sex. took me forever to shoot it like a normal guy. I wonder if getting clipped did it.

Or it could be years of callouses built up from all the masturbating.

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I've heard about this nasty shit. Some southern states have outlawed certain types of body piercing to be done there because practitioners of this.... procedure have moved there and the inhabiting people don't want it done in their state. I think it's pretty fucked up. Why would I want a girl to now fully be able to experience how amazing I am in bed?

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