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by which i mean CHILDREN. not TEENAGERS; the main girl followed is 8

http://tinyurl.com/7spau4

all i can say right now is: THIS is the Patriarchy. THIS is unreasonable beauty standards for women, starting at earlier and earlier ages. this is high heels, this is Rush Limbaugh roasting Caroline Kennedy for having the audacity to EAT in PUBLIC (yep. women are now not allowed to EAT IN PUBLIC). this is lipstick and diet fads and girdles vs thongs. this is photoshopped models and pop singers shaving their heads.

in short, this is what women are TOLD, constantly, they MUST DO.

don't believe, or don't understand? go look at a Cosmo. pick up a national enquirer - note how current Oprah is being called a heifer and other horrible names... while male celebrities are ALLOWED to age AND to gain weight. watch a movie, and notice how most roles for women are either young women who are fuckable, or old women who are either mothers or evil, an sometimes both. the instances of older women being NOT a mother are so low that they are actually COUNTABLE. hell, turn on the TV and notice how ALL of those women are like size 1's. they have no curves, all of them are essentially anorexic, but it's not an issue with ADULT women because when it's an adult, it's obvious she is being anorexic to control her weight so she can get a man - and the patriarchy APPROVES of women getting men. it's only when it's a child being anorexic that it's an issue, because children are supposed to be sexless and therefor the anorexia is inexplicable; they obviously aren't trying to lose weight to get a man, because they are not old enought to get a man. so anorexia in a child is dangerous, but in an adult is expected.

this is why i sometimes come off as a rad-feminist. i am afraid that the ONLY way to change anything is through radical movement. i mean, most people refuse to even see that there IS a fucking problem, let alone attempt to define it or fix it. when i bitch about unreal and impossible beauty standards, the typical reply back is something along the lines of "You're just bitching because you are fat and unattractive". even though i am not "fat" - i am only maybe 25 pounds overweight, which makes me PLUMP - and i am obviously not unattractive, at least going by the number of guys who try to get me into bed. of course, most of them wouldn't have dated me, so there is still that element of maybe i am only good for fucking, that maybe i am too fat for a guy to want a relationship with me.

but then again, i have Pete, and not only does he want to have sex with me, but he wants the relationship. we are living together, and we are going on 5 years...

fuck it. it's the Patriarchy, and it's wrong. look around and see it before jumping on me for being mad at it.

Date: 2009-01-19 03:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denelian.livejournal.com
i reacted kinda badly to this. which is in no way a reflection of you - between assholes on the LKHrants thing and "mens rights activists" who should just fucking call themselves "anti-women's rights activists" attacking me in various forums (because i am trying to help a friend who is in a text-book abusive relationship get out without being killed, and every word of that is literal truth), i'm kinda on a hair trigger. i am taking many things as personal attacks at the moment, when they are just people trying to have the discussion that *I* started. and so i end up taking my frustration (and, i admit, my fear of my friend's husband, who has now threatened to kill *ME* if she leaves him) on you. that's not cool, and i am very sorry.
i owe you an extra-breasty hug. (i mean, i'm monogomous, but i can do hugs :D ) or something. a muffin?
again, i am sorry. i'm pretty sure you won't hold it against me, but i feel that you deserved to know what was really going on, and to know that i am NOT mad at you, or blaming you, and that i am really truly NOT TRYING to take it out on you. i suck sometimes. sorry...

Date: 2009-01-19 06:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sadslacker.livejournal.com
Lol, it's ok. I know that you are a psycho feminazi ruled by your hormones without the ability to think rationally. I don't expect much. ;) Oh..and your cat is ugly too.

rofl..no extra breasty hugs for me, having you purr on my leg as a pooka was hard enough on me to be able to talk in sentences, I don't think my heart could take an extra breasty hug.

I wasn't upset, I often come off mean when I debate anyways, so I'm not going to give someone else the evil eye for it. I will say though, sometimes it's hard, living a life where I have never had the power over women you describe "men" having. It's hard sometimes to see that my experiences aren't the sum total of existence. I've always had to use charm or cuteness to "get my way" and that got harder when I got fatter. At least I still have charm..that works once in a while! ;) I

Date: 2009-01-19 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denelian.livejournal.com
i have to admit that you are fairly cute. and also pretty damned charming.
you know, when i wrote the offer of the "extra breasty hug" i was ALSO remember the Cat Pooka thing lol. i think its because that con, and that specific LARP, are what tilted us (in my head) from friendly aquantences to friends.
not that i can spell :D

oh. and i don't have a cat. just a Pete, and he isn't ugly. so there!

Date: 2009-01-19 06:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] denelian.livejournal.com
also, "men" versus men

it's actually kinda weird. but you take any random man, and he is personally a nice guy who wouldn't hurt anyone. put him in a group of men, though, and the testosterone and violence become VISIBLE. its a strange gestalt. women do it to, in a slightly different fashion. and i sometimes think that the vicious cattyness that arises from a group of women is more damaging that Bouncing Betty.

but i go through the same thing, in my own fashion, the weird dissonance that you feel hearing about "men", i hear about "women" and about "feminists" and lots of other things. you ever heard the Heinlein theory of committees? "A committee is the only form of life with 50 stomachs and no brain". it's like that, a bit. there are a small, very small number of men who, for whatever fucked up reason, are considered to represent and be the epitome of men (this also obviously applies to women, to blacks, to Jews, to democrats, etc). these men generally are NOT AT ALL like the vast majority of men - reference again Brad Pitt (i use him because i don't like him, but everyone else seems to). He doesn't live a life that you or I or ANYONE that we know can comprehend - he has so much wealth i'm pretty sure he can't quantify it, he has so many fans that i'm sure they've become something less than human to him, etc. and yet he exherts this vast influence over the US population; it is assumed that all women want him and all men want to BE him. this disproportionant representation of men (or any other demographic group) is becoming more prevalent, and it warps our entire society... as a society, we all feel that we MUST follow Brittany and Lindsey and Paris, that we have not just the RIGHT but the DUTY to stalk them, judge them, influence them, pay them, and etc. again, it is assumed that all men want Brittany Spears and all women want to be her. when she did the MTV music awards she looked GOOD, with a very toned stomach - and she was VILIFIED for being FAT (when she was not fat but muscular). and so this, of course, made most women feel that they had to be even SKINNIER... its this never ending cycle, of everyone (even those that vehemently reject this paradigm; no one escapes, and everyone ends up conforming on one level or another)trying to BE THESE FAMOUS PEOPLE because for some reason we believe that these people MATTER. and we all want to matter. and the only way to matter is to be like these people. who we want to be like because they matter...

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